Traveller-digest     Friday, September 3 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1050



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: Testing the Waters
RE:GT Starship Module Questions
Re: [www] Freelance Traveller Announcement
Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters
Re Canon & JG
Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service
Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft (slightly OT)
Re: FW: Honor Harrington Books
Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft (slightly OT)
Re: Inter species relationships
Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service
Re: Cannons other than Meson
Re B5 Mass
Re TAS
Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters
Re: streamlining
*weg*
Weather
Re: streamlining
Ship Damage...Oh my!  (was Lost Keith Supplements "refund")
Re: New Picture
Re: Inter species relationships

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:08:17 -0300
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Testing the Waters

At 01:01 PM 02/09/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>You sure Cher *isn't* a Virus? <g>  And besides Virus is *supposed* to
>bother you...oh, not that way? Okay. <weg>
>
>Seriously, I would have preferred a different solution than Virus, but
>can suspend disbelief far enough to swallow it...if I have too.
>
>Eris
>
        Well, if what was "required" was The Cosmic Reset Switch,  its
either going to have to be a genocide war, a biological virus/microbe or,
well, Virus.

        Back when TNE first came out, someone posted a really interesting
alternate time-line piece that involved two stars in the capital sector
going collapsar at the same time...  which in turn deformed Jumpspace
enought that planets no longer "were" where people thought they were for
jump calculations... so, everything jumping anywhere instantly wound up
splattered over the sector at the time it happened, and then everything else
that tried to jump afterwards was pretty much automatically misjumping as
everyone re-learned everything they knew about Jumpspace theory....
        End of Navy.
        End of Trade.
        End of Imperium.

        It was a really nice narrative...  I can't remember the author, but
I am sure it must be in the archives.

        --michel
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:15:43 -0400
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com>
Subject: RE:GT Starship Module Questions

>Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca>

>In VE2, artificial gravity units are GTL10 devices. This would seem to
>indicate that GTL9- modules should be designed with gravity safety systems
>if the ship would be subject to high-G maneuvers. Is this correct?

No GT tech modification rules from GT107 apply:
	"Artificial gravity appears at Tech Level 8 in the Traveller universe, two
TL's early. Contragravity appears four TL's early-- thus TL12 CG units are
available at TL8, while TL13 CG units are available at TL9...Artificial
gravity units include automatic compensation for transient high G
accelerations...to 3-G at TL8-9 or 6-G at TL10-12"

Terry C

All that is Gold does not glitter
Not all who travel are lost

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:55:28 -0600
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: [www] Freelance Traveller Announcement

At 10:35 AM 8/30/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>Ideally, you need to find a way to view the screen as other users are.
>>Perhaps dropping the resolution just before you check the site - just a
>>click on the control strip. I do wonder if I should reinstall navigator 2
>>and try checking things at 640 x 480.
>
>That doesn'ty work for me.  This is a 19-inch monitor so lower resolutions
>do not look the same as they would on a 14, 15 and 17 inch monitor at
>different resolutions.
	
	Which re-emphasizes the need NOT to make any assumptions about how
the user is going to see it: 14" monitor or 21" monitor, B&W or
6.02x10^23 colors, text or Winblows, Netscrape or Mickeysquish ... or
blind using a screen reader, or color-impaired ...

	Yeah, I'm finally back. Traveling sucks (note I didn't say
Travel*l*ing sucks!). Anyway, I think we've beat this dead horse into
the ground. You can easily twist HTML just a bit make stuff look
really fancy, but less accessible. Same basic idea as using Word97 to
do all your documents, only not quite as restrictive.

	Hmm ... would there be any interest in a Traveller *Webmasters*
mailing list?
- -- ------------------------------------------------------------ --
   Dave Golden                  http://www.pcisys.net/~goldendj 

   Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings, they 
   did it by killing all those who opposed them.

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:07:38 -0600
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters

At 04:01 PM 9/1/99 -0700, you wrote:
wide evil grin?

>_w_ide _e_yed _g_rin.
>
>Nick Bradbeer wrote:
>> 
>> >not, then *weg*  only that
>> 
>> Can somebody tell me what "*weg*" actually means? I've never met
anyine who
>> uses it before.
>> 
>> Nick
>
>-- 
>Bruce Johnson
>University of Arizona
>College of Pharmacy
>Information Technology Group
>
>
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   Dave Golden                  http://www.pcisys.net/~goldendj 

   Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings, they 
   did it by killing all those who opposed them.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:33:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re Canon & JG

>>    And, yet the idea is canon.  *weg*  Sorry, "Death of the Singing Star",
>>IIRC is a canon source for Traveller.
>
>  Sure, if you feel that a Judges Guild product filled with ideas from the
>merely highly dubious to the somewhat laughable is reliable. What are your
>thoughts on "Lomodo"?

Methinks Legate has confused "Authorized for use with" and "Canon"...

GDW would answer questions about DGP MT materials... but seldom would about
any of the other "Authorized materials"... all the authorized meant was
that GDW had given permission to them to use the Traveller Trademark, and
might have been getting their cut.

OTOH, I *Love* the 4 sector block JG did (Ley, Maranatha Alkahest,
Glimmerdrift Reaches, and Cruicis Margin)... they were more informative
than the GDW CT sector books (Rolomani RIm and Spinward Marches)...

OTGH,  GDW "Decanonized" them (specifically the JG sectors) in _Atlas of the Imperium_
At least the SM and SR sectors have had a lot of follow on developments...

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:51:19 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Bradley <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service



>
> According to the old TNS column in JTAS, the TNS is a service provided by
> the TAS.
>
> I'm not aware of any dates if they're not in Milieu 0.
>
> If the TAS was around in the early days of the Imperium, I guess we could
> say the TNS was around then too, although that doesn't necessarily follow.
>
> Alan Bradley
> alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au
>


I could be wrong (I still don't have my books back), but wasn't the
Traveller's Aid Society based on the defunked, Octagon Society?  Anyone with
Twilight's Peak care to look that up?  It's the only place I could think of
it being written, and if my memory *was* correct about that, then it may
mention some dates?

- -- The Roc

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:07:03 -0400
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com>
Subject: Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft (slightly OT)

>I'm not gay but I am sure getting tired of the xenophobic attitude in the
>U.S. to things that aren't supported by the 'main' portion of the
>population.  Are they afraid that seeing two CARTOON girls together will
>make everyone in the U.S. gay?  Oh come on now..

I doubt that most people would feel that such content is appropriate for
children, who seem to be the primary audience that TV executives aim
animation at.  Such material is fully appropriate for adult audiences.
Hopefully Scifi channel will agree with ME and air the later SM seasons at
an appropriate time for the adult audience.

Terry C

All that is Gold does not glitter
Not all who travel are lost

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:29:47 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Honor Harrington Books

On 09/01/99 at 08:46 PM,  "Antony Farrell" <Skaran@bigpond.com> said:

>In the back of one of the Honor Harrington books there was a table
>giving average masses for each type of warship, given this it should
>be possible to work out approximate Traveller displacements, now all
>I need are FFS rules for the star drives, the impeller wedges and the
>vaguries of the weapon and defensive systems in this universe.

If a group gets together to work this out, like on another list, I'd love to be involved.

Eris
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:34:00 -0700
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft (slightly OT)

>>I'm not gay but I am sure getting tired of the xenophobic attitude in the
>>U.S. to things that aren't supported by the 'main' portion of the
>>population.  Are they afraid that seeing two CARTOON girls together will
>>make everyone in the U.S. gay?  Oh come on now..
>
>I doubt that most people would feel that such content is appropriate for
>children, who seem to be the primary audience that TV executives aim
>animation at.  Such material is fully appropriate for adult audiences.
>Hopefully Scifi channel will agree with ME and air the later SM seasons at
>an appropriate time for the adult audience.
>
You don't want to see this translated into English by DiC... trust me.

Anyhow... the later seasons of SM were considered appropriate for children
in Japan.  There's no sex nor even really any kissing, except for a few
chaste-ish kisses between Sailor Moon and Tux.  It's just very clear that
these two women are always together, and one of them always dressed very
mannishly (how she must hate the Sailor outfit) and sometimes pretending to
be a boy-- the other very feminine, and they live in a house together.  We
do in one episode see that Sailor Uranus's previous girlfriend was kind of a
lech (she hits on the girls) and see how Uranus and Neptune meet, but even
that episode is very, very tame.

Kiri

Kiri

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:48:59 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: Inter species relationships

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Mixon <tlmixon@yahoo.com>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: Inter species relationships (was: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants,
Faster Combat Craft)



>
> Well, you could make some comment on the overall view of accepted
> practices in the Imperium. Say, what would the overall view of
> interspecies relationships? A guy and his Vargr ... well, we won't
> use what I suspect might be the approriate noun. <g> And if there
> are these relationships, does it make a better target for the
> objecting and thus same sex relations become more acceptable?
>
> If this is truely on the don't discuss list, please ignore.
>
> Terry

I also don't know if this is truly a "non-discussion" topic either, but...
In the past, we have the ubiquitous AD&D game where --all the ones I've
played in-- have your usual human races (caucasion, Negro, Asian, etc.) that
the PC's are free to mingle and "relate" to.  I've had white character's
marry in such AD&D games, Asian and Negro human NPC's amongst other
caucasion races.

Now it's also acceptable to "relate" to elves (a *NON-human* race -- alien?)
and it was also acceptable to "relate" to halflings, dwarves, and gnomes
(although, in most such games, it is not possible to cross fertilise with
the non-elves, or even non-orcs!!), non-human, but these normally
vanilla-straight folk I know would not think twice about roleplaying a
romance with such races.

Then they watch shows such as StarTrek and see those buxom Klingon sisters
and say things like, "I wouldn't mind getting off with either (or both) of
those!" and we all have a laugh.  But in serious conversation, they will say
they weren't joking.

Yet, if they talk of Traveller, the thought would never occur to them to
have a romance with a Vargr (or a droyne, Aslan, or centaur for that
matter).  Where should such lines be drawn?  Should such a choice be based
upon sophontolgy prerequisites?  Simple looks/image?  I think I've seen the
odd image of cat-like creatures with human shapes that look quite "sexy" in
their own right (witnessed by Japanese cartoons and Sorayama's "Hyper
Illustrations") that could inspire the "I wouldn't mind getting off with
those Klingons..." type of reactions.

I would assume that some cultures would take a dim view of, say an Aslan in
an Aslan culture, marrying a human.  But are the majority of worlds/cultures
across the Traveller galaxy close minded to such "mixed" marriages?  They
have had a long time to adapt although, even now, I understand there are
still those in Australia and the US (and other places) that frown on a
"white/black" or "white/yellow" marriage as "un-godly" and/or "wrong."  Mind
you, our culture is a lot younger than the Imperium and it's surrounds.  I
wonder?

- -- The Roc

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:56:19 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Johnson <kejohnson@2xtreme.net>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service



>
> I found this:
>
> Milieu 0, page 39, The Traveller's Aid Society (TAS).
>
> <snip>
> A few words from Ve Nu Lant, TAS Chief Executive Officer, 145-0008
> "In those early years of expansion, many people just packed a bag and
> headed off into space, hitching rides on scouts, traders and even
warships.
>  It didn't take long for an informal self-help network on the 'net to
start
> up, passing Traveller's tips, places to go, places to avoid, what to eat,
> and what not to.  So one summer, I collected the stories coming back, and
> put together the first Crowded Space guides.  They were instant hits, but
> many people needed more practical help.  So with a few friends, I set up
> the Travellers' Aid Society.  We started off with 'net lectures, devised a
> simple color code for planet safety, and in Year -16, we opened up our
> first planetary office.  It was a great hit, helping people to get
> oriented, providing a meeting place and information exchange, and even a
> few beds for the night.  The rest, as they say, is history."
> </snip>
>
>

Can't argue with that!  Makes my Twilight's Peak suggestion moot anyways :^)

- -- The Roc

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:52:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re: Cannons other than Meson

>From: "Glenn M. Goffin" <gmgoffin@pacbell.net>
>Subject: Re: Cannons other than Meson
>
>> From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au>
>> Subject: Re: Cannons other than Meson
>
>> Someone in an earlier digest mentioned that they thought that the GT
>> setting lacked conflict.  I don't really agree with that.  There's no full
>> scale war, but there's lots of nasty little things happening with the
>
>I'm with Alan.  It's the job of the storyteller -- that is, the referee
>- -- to develop conflict.  You can use your imagination to develop
>conflict, even if the story's setting is Paradise.

that someone (at least recently) was myself.  I agree you can make/find
conflict anywhere... Except Paradise. (Paradise for me includes the lack of
conflict).

HOWEVER, I also like having the big overall conflicts to explore the
morality plays of "Us vs Them" mixed with the shades of gray morality, and
for me, the stories that work the best use the features of an overriding
conflict in the backdrop vs local conflicts in a morality play
methodology...  The 5FW sets a "Good vs Evil" paradigm sector (or domain)
wide that is a wonderful tool. The rebelion creates lots of "Us vs Them"
setting hooks, yet allows for the safes being nearly unaffected by the wars
directly.

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interface!"
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:52:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re B5 Mass

>Weber has a the same problem that the producer (JMS) of Babylon 5 had.
>A simple calculation shows that the *air* in Babylon 5 weighs more than
>the mass given for the station.

But the intro say "2 million tons of steel", and doesn't explicitly state
anything about the 20 billion tons of plastic, 10 billion tons of air, 5
billion tons of water... Perhaps it is a displacement rating (say, of
Liquid Hydrogen)???

William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
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pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:52:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re TAS

>Dates may be wrong, as this is done from memory.
>
>The Travellers Aid Society was formed around 800. Before that , there was
>the Octigon Society , which collapsed due to financial mismanagement.Millue
>0 actually had TAS as an concern, which broke previous cannon.
>
>(I Think this is in the library data from MT, or from PBH but cant be
>sure).

See _Adventure 3: Twighlight's Peak_ for the original bit.

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:51:36 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters

On 09/01/99 at 04:01 PM,  Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu> said:

>_w_ide _e_yed _g_rin.

Wide *evil* grin is how it was described to me...and how the evil GM uses it on us.

<weg>

Eris
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:59:41 -0500
From: "John Majer" <jsmage@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: streamlining

>
> OT: can "weather contol" actually be a possibility?  Or. perhaps more
> accurately, is "weather control" more of a long term "terra-forming" type
> thing?  In other words, more like "increase rain and reduce drought"
rather
> than "make day 245 clear and sunny with a temperature in the mid 70's in a
> particular city"?
>
I seem to recal a proposal somewhere to use mastery of chaos math and
robotic butterflys.  Otherwise, all I understand (from dating a geologist
and sci fi fan for several years) tends towards the former, but with a
little more accuracy and flexibility, IOW setting up tendancies towards some
desired weather for limited periods of time.  It also depends on what you
are trying to acheve; seeding clouds is one thing, but keeping them away.
There are two major problems, though, you're dealing with gelogical
processes (okay, metorologic, but cut from the same cloth) over geologic
time.  You can affect one on a limited basis, but that limited basis is
still running on a geologic time frame, and might take a bit longer or last
a bit longer than you would like.  It's also damnably hard to alter a part
of such a massive system without causing alterations in the rest of that
system, which can be overcome by doing something else, which cause more
problems, ad infinitum.  But if you a) don't care about the rest of the
world or b) have advanced nano-tech up the wazoo, sure, why not?
ObTrav(TNE): Some planet with good tech that went bonkers on this stuff (not
nano, but otherwise) which is now in the hands of the big V.  Gives a new
meaning to eco-terrorisim.
J.S.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:41:12 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: *weg*

- ----- Original Message -----
From: David J. Golden <goldendj@pcisys.net>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters


> At 04:01 PM 9/1/99 -0700, you wrote:
> wide evil grin?
>
> >_w_ide _e_yed _g_rin.
> >
> >Nick Bradbeer wrote:
> >>
> >> >not, then *weg*  only that
> >>
> >> Can somebody tell me what "*weg*" actually means? I've never met
> anyine who
> >> uses it before.
> >>
> >> Nick

The folk I normally chat with, it's a "Wicked Evil Grin," or at least "Wide
Evil Grin."  All of which go well with that look you give to PC's when you
have something errrr... "exciting" in store for them :^)

- -- The Roc

PS:  This does not make mention of the *weAg* which stands for "Wicked Evil
Aussie Grin"

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:35:33 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Weather

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Coles <jcoles@nac.net>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: streamlining



> >Or Melbourne, Australia :^)
> >
> >- -- The Roc
> >
> or New England  (famous Yankee saying: "if you don;t like the weather,
wait
> 15 minutes)
>

LOL!  That's what they say about Melbourne!!!  Some things are universal :^)

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:17:50 -0400
From: "Darryl Adams" <commodore_adams@unspacy.org>
Subject: Re: streamlining

<jsmage@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> OT: can "weather contol" actually be a possibility?  Or. perhaps more
>> accurately, is "weather control" more of a long term "terra-forming" type
>> thing?  In other words, more like "increase rain and reduce drought"

Weather Control is not something that Traveller actually deals with. IMTU I would treat Weather control as water allocations done in the Murry-Darling Basic (badly run, full of allocation wars, and the possbaility of ecological damage). 

Weather would be a political bomb, as different sectors want different conditions (cotton farmers want rain, grrain growers want rain, the polititions want a hot day so they can leave their galoshes at home)

It can be done, quite easily in a Tech 14-15, and with a lot of efort in TL10-12. 

BTW this is my new adhoc email , because the domain is cool :-). mailto dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au will still get digests though. 

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 99 00:01:16 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Ship Damage...Oh my!  (was Lost Keith Supplements "refund")

On 09/02/99 at 01:36 PM,  Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu> said:

>> You know, I enjoyed rereading LOM last weekend and Paul says this set
>> will be better...OH BOY!  I'm hoping to run a campaign around those
>> books.

>What 'hoping'??? My character is on the front page of all the
>newspapers as the 'Brave Captain who fought off the pirates...' You
>mean it's gonna get _worse_???

<weg>...in the worst sense...<weg>

>... actually it was the Space Patrol who fought off the
>pirates...mostly by making our ship into swiss cheese...Eris has this
>Accelerated Massive Debt plan for us, obviously.

Ah, I'm just giving you guys a chance to "customize" the ship. Let's see...the mainframe is slagged, the jump drive has a hole blown through it, the maneuver drive has chunks blown away, the life support system is dead, there are holes in fuel tanks, hull and hatches...oh, and somebody cracked the ship's safe and made off with a bit of your ready cash. Nothing that a little spit and baling wire won't fix. <eg>

Oh, and has anyone mentioned to you yet that the jump drive is an import from the Xtce system and there aren't any compatable parts for a half dozen parsecs? Muhahahaha!

Eris
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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:25:54 -0700
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: New Picture

Wayne wrote:

> > I finally finished my water landing pic. The one I posted earlier was a
> ... well
> > not finished... :)
> > any way  here is the link if any one is interested.... I am also finishing
> up a
> > series of Starport pics, If I can just find time to finish my 400 ton
> trader....
> > sigh.  ;)
>
> I like it.
> Made me think of any anchorage in the Navy. Wpn. Techs working on the gun,
> Deck Apes painting the hull,

Bosun Mate....  Damnit.

> and Command and the remaining crew going for a
> dip in the sea,
>
> Wayne Ewart 0502 C588858 C N kk++ hi+ va++ dr+ so- zh+ da++ 734
>
> CT/HG Templar Wanna-be



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Evyn...
Wish I was a better person...   with more control...
Turn the other cheek...   and when the punch comes, roll...
Wish I was a kinder person...   could see the others pain...
Not over react, not judge...   and shrug off the spreadin' stain.
Damaged, by John Shirley/Donald Roeser, BOC, Heaven Forbid 1998.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:20:28 -0700
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Inter species relationships

>Now it's also acceptable to "relate" to elves (a *NON-human* race --
alien?) and it was also acceptable to "relate" to halflings, dwarves, and
gnomes (although, in most such games, it is not possible to cross fertilise
with the non-elves, or even non-orcs!!), non-human, but these normally
vanilla-straight folk I know would not think twice about roleplaying a
romance with such races.
>
Yeah, the same girl that always played half-elves could not understand how I
dated "outside my race" almost exclusively (I appear to be white, though I
have about 1/4 Asian/PI blood-- we're not sure what type, I'm adopted).

>...although, even now, I understand there are still those in Australia and
the US (and other places) that frown on a "white/black" or "white/yellow"
marriage as "un-godly" and/or "wrong."  Mind you, our culture is a lot
younger than the Imperium and it's surrounds.  I wonder?
>
Once in Nebraska, I and a partner of mine were sitting holding hands and
speaking in Japanese while I had a manga book lying on the table in a cafe.

As I said above, I can pass for white very well.  My partner was not
actually Japanese, but he looked close enough.

Shortly after we entered the place three burly men came up to us and an
older man who accompanied them informed us in a deadly tone of voice that he
was a WWII veteran.

We left in a big hurry.

In the parking lot, my partner said to me "For fifty cents I would have told
him that I'm actually Chinese and we were on their side, but no one offered
me fifty cents."

I thought to myself:  "And if I had a black globe I'd have said 'My name is
Miss Harbor, just call me Pearl.'"

Bigotry is everywhere... remember the list of epithets for the Fifth
Frontier War?

Kiri

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